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What's The Difference Between Muscadine And Scuppernong Grapes?

Posted on September 20, 2010 by Ed Kraus There have been 8 comment(s)

Hello EC Kraus,

Muscadine Scuppernong For Wine MakingI was wondering what the difference was between muscadine and scuppernong grapes? I hear people talk about both as if they were the same thing. Are they? Or are they different?

Thanks
Justin S.,

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Hello Justin,

Muscadine/Scuppernong grapes are indigenous to the Southeast region of the U.S. They grow both wild and domestically in backyards and on farms from Arkansas to The Carolina's and everywhere South of there.

Muscadine and Scuppernong are a couple of names that are sometimes used loosely to mean the same grape, but in reality, a Scuppernong is a particular variety of Muscadine.

Over the decades Muscadines have been domesticated and grafted into varying sizes and color. Today, there are an endless list of Muscadine varieties. While Scuppernong is a variety of Muscadine it is not considered a hybrid or cultivar. It has been know to be in existence since at least the 1600's and has been domesticated in its own right. This is how some of the confusion comes about.

Today in spite of the facts, most people refer to the red varieties as Muscadines and to the white varieties as Scuppernongs. I say, regardless of what you call them, these grapes make wonderful country wines. Using Scuppernongs is even a great way to learn how to make white wines for the first time.

Preparing these grapes my take some effort though. Because of there incredibly thick skins, running them through a grape crusher may be necessary as opposed to simply crushing them by hand.

An alternative to getting a grape crusher would be to use a steam juicer to extract the juice. The steam juicer bursts the skins with steamed heat. The juice then falls out the colander of steamed grapes and runs out into a collector. Once cooled, the juice is ready to go straight into the fermenter.

I hope this information helps you understand a little better about Muscadines and Scuppernongs.

Best Wishes,
Customer Service
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Ed Kraus is a 3rd generation home brewer/winemaker and has been an owner of E. C. Kraus since 1999. He has been helping individuals make better wine and beer for over 25 years.

 


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8 Responses to What's The Difference Between Muscadine And Scuppernong Grapes?

  • Sandra
    Sandra says:

    Scuppernong is bronze/white type variety of muscadine. Muscadines are in general either bronze a.k.a. white or black a.k.a. purple. Scuppernong was THE first variety of muscadine and became so well known that lay people started using the term scuppernong to describe any bronze/white type muscadine which is innacurate. There are several varieties of both bronze, and black muscadines of which scuppernong is only one.

    Also, the terms variety and cultivar can be used interchangeably.

    Personally I like to eat them fresh right off the vine.

    Posted on December 14, 2010 at 2:44 pm

  • Vita M.King
    Vita M.King says:

    muscadines make very very very good wine,when the berry is right.the wine has a very very very nice color to it,and the smell and the taste go hand in hand.it is very very good,i have made it before,it is one of my familys wines.the muscadines have to be right just like the grapes,you use.and yes i have used the big blueblack grapes,from one of my relatives vines,they made the best wines.the grapes,were the very very good ones.the vines had been in the family before i was born.and i am 49 years old.i don't know where they came from,i just know that they made the best wines,jams,jellys,cobbars,pies.and yes i like eating the muscadines,and eatting the dewberrys,and using them to make wine,the drewberry wine is great.happy wine making and i am always learning about wine,i think that it is great.

    Posted on August 24, 2011 at 12:57 pm

  • Bill Dorsey
    Bill Dorsey says:

    Are the James grapes considered Muscadine grapes. They are dark in color. I was wondering if this is one of the factors used to distinquish the different grapes. Thanks

    Posted on September 30, 2012 at 9:29 am

  • Customer Service
    Customer Service says:

    Bill, I had to do some research on this because I am not familiar with this grape. It appears to be be grown primarily in SC. From the best of what I can gather it is a hybrid of Lambrusco and a Muscat of some variety, however I cannot verify any of this. Hope this helps you out.

    Posted on October 1, 2012 at 6:49 am

  • Eddie Rhoades
    Eddie Rhoades says:

    A red delicious is an apple and a yellow delicious is an apple. An Elberta is a peach and a Hale's haven is a peach. A Sugargate is a muscadine and a scuppernong is a muscadine that was found growing along the Scuppernong river.

    Posted on October 22, 2012 at 7:00 pm

  • T.C.
    T.C. says:

    I was born and raised in Atlanta, GA and I am 44 now. Since I could remember we have always had Muscadines all over the place growing in everyone's backyard. Still do. I currently live in the Suburbs South of Atlanta and live on a 5 acre lot and I have two large vines covering the backyard. One has what we call the Muscadine (black/purple) and on the other side of the yard, we have the other we call the Scuppernong. (White) This is how I was taught to distinguish them all my life, is that correct? Don't know and not really troubled by it at all! We don't make wines, we don't make jams, nor pies, we don't sell them like some of our neighbors, we simply eat them off the vine, and let friends, family and neighbors pick as many as they want as long as they are careful not to damage the vines. Even after people leave with bags full, their are still so many that go rotten on the vine as their are just too many of them. We are going to have to prune them back this year as they have completely taken over the peach tree and the pear tree that neither tree bared any fruit this year. Also because the lawn service guys sprayed weed killer on one end and we have to make sure it does not kill off any more than it already has. We also have Fig and Apple trees and luckily the grape vines are out of reach or I am sure they would have taken over those as well.



    I know my comment does not really answer the question, but I just thought I would share my experience with this grape.



    T.C.

    Posted on September 16, 2013 at 6:03 am

  • Martha Mills
    Martha Mills says:

    T.C., I want to visit your backyard! It sounds so yummy and pleasant! Personally, I'm a scuppernong fan, having grown up in Florida with them in our backyard - over 8 decades ago! (you surely sound like a good neighbor!)

    Posted on November 1, 2013 at 9:32 am

  • Betty
    Betty says:

    Love these grapes. I was raised in Mississippi and had both to eat. Use to climb up a tree for the Muscatine. I love them todY. In Texas we have grapes and Muscatine vines in my back yard. Thank you for info

    Posted on August 22, 2014 at 6:48 pm

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